Preaching to the Converted

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how refreshing
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Excellent post!!!
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Unfortunately, the government mirrors the people. When a people have left the ways of the Lord, have committed grievous sin, the government, which is representative of the people, will reflect that.
Um... except the government is representative of fundamentalist Christianity right now.

It's largely liberal politicians who believe in the separation of church and state that have been pushing for peace, and opposing the war in the first place, in fact.
I hear you on this one SO. HARD. I'm sick of the entire world thinking we're a bunch of backward religious fundamentalist hicks who have no idea where Iraq is on the map thanks to the actions of the morons in our government.

I've taken some solace in the fact that China's kinda taken our place, for now.

Oh, and congrats on being featured! Always nice to see other vegans around!
I feel the main trouble is that the rest of the world rarely see american civilians challenge their leaders. It is not often that we read news items where americans comment about such things. In fact, americans seem to be the most patriotic people I have ever encountered.

Whilst I am sure that americans know that there are other nations in existence it is seemingly the case that america does not really care about them. I have often seen posts about china and africa and european countries and rarely do the americans make a comment. In a recent poll americans expressed an opinion that after 5 years of war in iraq, they finally think that things are going wrong BUT that's not as important as americas economy. So america is more troubled by money than it is about Iraqis losing their country and their lives.

The fact that you find solace Soup in the attrocity going on in Tibet is a little alarming. Maybe your point was not made very clear and you meant it another way, i hope. Green girl's post was refreshing because she took a stand against the admin and she deserves a round of applause for that.
I never said I'm all for China's government being horribly oppressive. In fact, I've lost friends in China over the fact that I refuse to side with China on the issues of Tibet and their human rights record in general. I just said I'm perfectly alright with them taking all the smack talk instead of us for a while. So I guess I might not have been entirely clear about that.

So no, I don't find any comfort in the fact that someone else's government is more oppressive than ours. I'm just enjoying the fact that we're not taking all the credit for being the "worst country ever" to everyone on Earth anymore.
understood

Part of the problem seems to me to be that the mainstream media inflate certain things and completely de-emphasize others. Most of my American friends are well aware of this, and shows like The Colbert Report make it pretty freakin clear. But people in other countries are less likely to see that than they are the Fox/CNN crap which emphasizes the standard government line and doesn't focus on war protests or really anything that gets far away from the press releases they get from government and Pentagon officials. If that's all you know about America, then your view of it is pretty well screwed. But that's what you get for trusting the news. Meh.

And I have to say to karlos that I find it absurd that you think America does not care about the existence of other countries and yet more absurd that you think American voters should care more about other countries than they do about themselves. First, America--both the government and its citizens individually--is involved in projects to help other countries all over the world (in the Middle East, granted, it's only Israel). Even some liberal commentators have acknowledged how much aid the Bush administration has given to Africa. American NGOs, too, such as Habitat for Humanity and the Peace Corps are also involved in other countries throughout the world. The CDC does huge amounts of disease prevention work overseas. So, I don't think you have any substantive case that America in general does not care about other countries in general.

And I know that a lot of foreigners think that when we vote, it should be with other countries foremost in our minds. But give me a break. What country's people do this? Certainly foreign policy is an important part of this election, and we all know it. But it is just stupid to suggest that we shouldn't care about our economy. For one thing, our economy, being so big and tied to so many others, matters to the rest of the world, less now than it used to, but it still matters--China needs someone to buy all that crap. For another thing, nobody--I don't care what nationality--is going to vote for something that hurts them personally, and a lot of Americans are being personally hurt by the current state of the economy. I'm having a hard time thinking of another nation so beneficent that when some sectors of its population had longstanding 20%+ unemployment, they would care more about their nation's reputation in other countries than about economic policy. Perhaps there is one, but nothing jumps out.

Of course, we don't necessarily have to choose. Ideally, a politician will step forward with a decent economic policy and a decent foreign policy. I doubt that person is John McCain from what I've seen so far; however, so far, the Democrats are not looking like the shoo-in party that they should be. This should have been a cakewalk for them, but it isn't going to be now, unless I am much mistaken.

I agree with everyone about something on this, except Lori. True, the majority Americans think we're the greatest country in the world, but that's because we are pretty good. Well, the country itself that is. We have a right to say what we want to, think what we want to, and do what we want to, within certain boundaries, of course. True, American's rights have been trampled by policies ,such as The "Patriot" Act. Library computers have been taken by CIA and FBI agents without warrants, shop owners have been ordered to hand over lists of who has bought what, and Muslim immigrants and citizens have been sent to jails in foreign places without their rightful trial by jury. True, America does a lot to help impoverished nations. From health care in Africa to making purchases from new capitalist China. True, Americans are stuck on oil and thats the reason we're in Iraq in the first place. George Bush is a semi-mindless meat puppet that someone is using as a mask for whatever they're doing. 9/11 was not our (the American citizen's) fault directly, but it was the White house's fault. 9/11 was blowback-city. We had brought the biggest bully we could find that said he liked us and we gave him guns, soldiers, and money that he used to get more guns and soldiers. Then, meat-puppet's people turn on puppeteer. Hussein was not directly responsible for 9/11, but the fact we supported him and he was a *beep* was responsible. I'd better wrap it up now, it's getting late.
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Good comment, but America is a continent, No offense, but it kind of annoys me when people say america, to mean the USA. I'm not trying to be all picky, and annoying, so don't get offended or anything... =]
That's okay, I was kinda in a hurry and half-asleep so I wasn't paying attention to whether it was America I was writing or U.S.A.
Just out of interest Maya, have you ever been bothered by any of the following, American Airlines, American University, American Psychological Association, American Bar Association, American Medical Association, American Idol, American Airlines, American Anthropological Association, American Museum of Natural History, American Express, American Nuclear Society, American Football Association? Or is it just when non-americans say america that you have an issue?
(This is not in angry tones. I am being very calm. I don't want anyone to think I am angry) Calm down, she just said it was a pet-peeve.
To be honest, I really haven't thought abut all of that. I know I can't change American Idol, but I can change my friends!
Well I mean, I can't change American Idol, into United states of american idol. but, I can change my friends from using "america" instead of USA.
I often refer to the USA as America and I also refer to it's people as Americans but in an effort to avoid offence in the future I will do my best to refer to the United States of America and I shall address it's people as United States of Americans instead. Hope you are doing fine Maya.
I see your point maya but like karlos said it is hard to use USA instead of America in some cases. I do try and use the US when I refer to the country in which I live, though, because I get where you're coming from.
I can't say I agree on all of the above, but I do agree you can't label a whole country on what a select group of religious fanatics do. Fanatics (of any kind) give everyone a bad name. I hate it when people label a particular religion on what fanatics do. *sigh*
Thank you :D

Well people do elect governments in a democracy.

Having said that I think most intelligent people are capable of differentiating between a government's policies and actions and those of individual citizens. I travelled with a really cool and well informed American woman in the Middle East not long after the first Gulf War (when most Americans were staying away in droves). She was fully expecting to get a hard time from at least some people but the exact opposite seemed to be true, ie, people were so impressed that she had come to visit their country despite the disagreements at a Government level. She had previously been in Vietnam and had a similar experience there (ie, even in areas where Americans were considered the enemy during the war).

As an Australian, I was also very keen to distance myself from the Australian Government when John Howard and his cronies in power. I did encounter people who would say things like "All Australians are racists" etc etc but usually those were people with some kind of axe to grind and not really interested in having a constructive dialogue on what steps could be taken to improve things.

Anyway, sorry for such a long rant. Was just interested in what you had to say.

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